Subhrangshu Gupta
Operation Bluestar in Punjab was certainly a mistake which the then
political party in power took under political compulsions, the former
Army chief, Gen Shankar Roychowdhury, MP, remarked at an exclusive
interview with The Tribune in Calcutta.
Gen Roychowdhury said militancy in Punjab was the
first phase of the proxy war by Pakistan against India. He felt that
Operation Bluestar could be avoided and the problem of militancy in
Punjab could have been tackled otherwise.
The former Army chief said the militancy in Kashmir
or the north-eastern states and elsewhere should be handled both at the
political as well as the military level. Otherwise, the problem would
not be solved, no matter what assurances the US President, Mr Bill
Clinton, might have given during his recent visit to India, Gen
Roychowdhury observed. The following are excerpts from the interview -
Q: Sir, how would you assess the present problem of
militancy in the country? Is it out of control?
A: No, it is not out of control. Insurgency or
militancy as you know affects two main areas of the country - Kashmir
and the north-eastern region. In other parts also there are militant
activities but not of the same degree as in Kashmir or the north-eastern
states. The problems have been tackled by various forces.
Q: Are right steps being taken to handle the problem?
What do you suggest the right steps to be taken?
A: From place to place, the methods of tackling the
problem differ. In Kashmir, it is Pakistan's proxy war offensive, the
ultimate aim is to detach Kashmir from India. It is, I feel, an attempt
by Pakistan to take revenge of their loss in the Bangladesh war in which
over 93,000 Pakistani prisoners of war were brought captive to India. It
is, therefore, a war of revenge. The Government has been taking steps to
handle the problems in Kashmir but whether it is right or wrong, time
will tell. But the right steps would be to carry out intense military
operation in Kashmir in tandem with political and administrative
measures. As far as the north-eastern states are concerned, the
administration has entered into a peace talk with the NSC and Aksumiva
group which is the main insurgent unit in the region. But the talks at
present are held up because Mr Muiva himself has been arrested and
imprisoned in a jail in Thailand. I would suggest that the problem of
insurgency whether in Kashmir or the north-eastern region should be
tackled on a politico-military basis. In Kashmir, there should be
deployment of adequate minimum force since the jawans will not be
fighting a war.
Q: In the early seventies, we could hardly hear about
problems of militancy, but now it is everywhere, why?
A: No, it is not true. The Nagaland insurgency had
started in 1953 or earlier and in Mizoram it began sometime in 1961.
Mizoram, however, is now peaceful following a peace agreement. In
Tripura, insurgency started in the 80s and the problem could not be
fully solved.
You must note that other than Kashmir, these are basically the
expressions of resentment against power. There were cultural and
psychological barrier from people to people and place to place. Delhi is
far off from the north-eastern region not only in geographical distance
but also in perception. The people in this region feel isolated and
alienated. But in places, say, in Madhya Pradesh, Tamil Nadu and Orissa,
some interested groups backed by interested parties, are creating
problems and their anti-national activities should be crushed firmly,
jointly by the Army and the state armed police.
Q: Are foreign powers behind the militants? You held
the highest post in the Army and you must have information from your
intelligence network?
A: It's a known fact that Pakistan is involved in
militant activities in Kashmir and a section of people living in the
valley have been raising the slogan of Azad Kashmir. But the people
living in other areas, say Ladakh, are not making such demand. Militancy
or insurgency in Kashmir, I reiterate, is a proxy-war offensive,
generated, designed, trained, equipped and financed by Pakistan -the
funds coming from extremist organisations in Saudi Arabia and other
Muslim countries and by selling of illicit drugs. As far as the
north-eastern states are concerned, there is sufficient evidence of ISI
linkage in the extremist activities, which were also strong in
Bangladesh during the regime of the Bangladesh National Party (BNP).
Now, however, the Hasina Administration has taken steps to ensure that
their lands are not used for hostile activities against India.
Q: Now let's talk about Punjab which witnessed
serious militant insurgency during the 80s. How could a beautiful and
peaceful state like Punjab suddenly became the venue of terrorists
activities?
A: Punjab is located in the closest proximity with
Pakistan. The people in the state had certain genuine grievances, which
the Delhi Administration for long ignored. And a section of people,
particularly younger people, got frustrated for want of opportunities
for them. Pakistan took advantage of the situation and came forward with
funds and arms for them to launch an armed struggle against India. You
should note that Punjab was the beginning of the present phase of
insurgency in the country.
Q: Do you think as an Army chief that right steps had
been taken to tackle the problem of militancy in Punjab?
A: No, certainly not. I don't think right steps were
taken. Operation Bluestar was totally unwarranted and a mistaken step.
The party in power at Delhi at that time had taken the step more on
political consideration. However, the situation there has changed.
Democracy has been restored in Punjab.
Q: Was India right in dealing with the LTTE?
A: The LTTE was an internal problem of Sri Lanka and
India had no business there. We despatched the IPKF (Indian
peace-keeping force) to Sri Lanka to enforce an agreement which the Sri
Lankan Government itself did not want. The IPKF did an absolutely
thankless job under political compulsion of the Centre. As a result we
suffered heavily as the Army could not act under military operation.
Q: Sir, you held the highest position in the Army and
now you are an MP as an independent with support from the Congress (I)
as well as Left parties including the CPM. Any plan to join any
particular party in future?
A: No, I'm not a member of any party and will remain
so in future. No I have no plan or desire to join any political party
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